I am against terror violence etc. But when these days everybody talks about Muslim terror, please be aware of this: Wikipedia regarding the establishing of the State of Israel: ...........This is perhaps the only example in modern history where terrorist activity was rewarded with the creation of a new state. I am far away of glorifying terror, but it didn't it work for Israel? Do you also know: that regarding the participation of the Palestine terretories pressure was exerted on some small countries by Zionist sympathizers in the United States? I am feeling with every Israeli who has to suffer, but what was done to the Palestinians BEFORE the Jihad started? Be honest. Where would Israel be without the supporting Israel community in the US? After WWII Ben Gurion had even to negotiate with the Germans to feed his folks. Please share your thoughts edit Mikel: here we go again. How do you know if things written on Wiki are right or not? Or is this sources are not useable regarding Palestinian's subjects? Are you denying the terror done by Jews before Israel got established? Even against the Brits. I won't send my CV but I am not a dummy either. Take care. edit paperback: Not having a recognised body of representatives was a severe handicap for the Palestinain Arabs compared to the Zionists. The Jewish Agency was entitled to diplomatic representation e.g. in Geneva before the League of Nations Permanent Mandates Commission, while the Palestinian Arabs had to be represented by the British. And the Brits did not care. Brits got pressured by the US. Palestinians were just the punching ball of Western Nations. Promises were made and broken. In the Belfour documents Arabs even were not called Arabs. They were just: non Jewish people. I hold the Brits most responsible for the ongoing conflict. First they made promises to the Arabs and then they give up on the pressure received from the US which was under pressure of the Jewish community in the US. Are you still wondering?
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Wikipedia can be updated and/or edited by almost anyone at any time. Take anything you read on Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
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War is the terror of the rich. Terror is the war of the poor.
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Ok - so I guess you didn't want to discuss football. Wikipedia is a nice source, but I only use it when I know what they have is factually correct. Like everything on there and any source for that matter its important to verify it before you cite it. What you will find however on what was done to the Palestinians before (for example the 1987 Intifada) was nothing - it was started by Palestinians out of frustration at the situation and not by poor Israeli behavior. This is why so much is created fictiously through Pallywood. Good Luck!!! edit - so you don't want to discuss football still - ok Here is some discussion of Jewish terrorist acts down pre-1948 on the wikipedia article regarding the Irgun - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun so your argument that its not posted there is rather silly. As to my background I do check various sources for information besides my own knowledge on things prior to posting information - sometime I mention a book I have in my possession, however I find wikipedia is often just an easier website to choose for information to back my statements. There is no perfect source here on the wikipedia and as a person who has posted some information on teachers unions on there I know its full of problems.
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I am not sure if you are saying that terrorism can have advantages, too? I think after some period, the powerful countries become affected and finally sit down with the groups to negotiate. Look at North Korea; now we have recognized the little jerk,(napoleon complex-not dynamite) and he has settled down a bit. Terrorism is about not being counted and stirring up horrific acts to get there. Its a drastic measure until the powerful recognizes the group. Why isn't there someone or a group bringing these terroristic groups into talks so we can see what they want? Are we afraid they will tell more than what we want the media to spread? I am not for these horrific crimes against a fellow man, because I consider crimes such as mugging, robbery, rape, kidnapping, and murder terrorism since its against man-kind. If its it not fixed in my own country of the good ol us of a, then the big bat we hold over smaller countries is not going to be effective either.
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Let's get something very clear: Israel was created because the British - who made promises to BOTH Jews and Arabs - held the mandate and decided that Israel was the right thing to establish. And the UN ratified it. The Balfour Declaration, which paved the way for this, was in 1917 and had nothing to do with any 'terrorism'. Yes, both Arabs and Jews have behaved terribly at times, it would be untruthful to deny this. Both have, presumably fought for what they believed in. But the Jews in Palestine were fighting because the British had FORBIDDEN Jews fleeing Europe to emigrate to Palestine. There were, what, maybe three? acts of Jewish terrorism - not to say that I condone them, I don't. But on the other hand, Islamic terrorism has been perpetrated for decades and has been levelled at countries that have NOTHING to do with Israel. The Jews who were involved in those few terrorist activities were NOT supported by their fellow Jews. In fact, wikipedia, when I last read that page, made it clear that the Haganah and the nascent Israeli government actually opened fire on the Irgun, in order to shut them down. Yet we don't see the Palestinians turning on Hamas and Islamic Jihad, do we? No - they VOTED for Hamas, knowing full well that the Hamas Charter advocates terrorism and CALLS for it. And please can someone explain this to me: The Arab world went beserk and declared war on Israel in 1948 BEFORE anyone lost their homes!!! They rejected the mere IDEA of a Jewish democracy in the middle east! EDIT TO ASKER 'h' - I do agree with you that the British did a lot of damage. Essentially Palestine was a twice promised land - as you say, the British promised it to both the Jews AND the Palestinian Arabs. But that said, it wasn't the fault of the British that five Arab armies attacked Israel within 12 hours of her officially becoming a state. The Arab world, back then, DID reject outright the mere IDEA of a Jewish democratic country in their midst. That was not the fault of Israel! I think we need to look to the future, though, don't you? What's done is done, I would just love to see peace, and to see a peaceful Palestinian state existing alongside Israel, with no more terrorism. EDIT TO answerers who reply below my post: - I guess it must be significant that every single time I state VERIFIABLE FACTS I get accused either of 'lying' or now of 'redefining history'.
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Yes this is a known fact, but as usual the zionists will deny it and try to fool everyone else oh and that liar paperback should stop readining zionist history books and start reading learning real history people lost their homes before the war started, that's why the war started http://youtube.com/watch?v=GM1ruYCS6JY http://youtube.com/watch?v=zg0ql9tA1-I she wants us to believe that the jews came in, gave out flowers and donuts and started chatting with the people already living in the land they were about to steal. so funny.
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Not of religion but an act of cowardice admitting in competency.
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Saying terror worked in that case is a matter of opinion defining what exactly terror is. For starters, no Jewish militia existed before the sudden proliferation of Arab violence towards Jews in the early 20th century. In addition, terror was not the true cause of the Jewish state: the British in 1917 already defined their stated goal as the creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel. That a state would exist was a foregone conclusion, as the rulers of the area had already defined their intent on that regard. All terror could possibly have done was speed up the process. Lastly, the major contributing factor to the creation of Israel was international concience and pressure, and not terror. The UN did not approve the partition plan because they were cowed by terrorism, but because they thought it the right thing to do. There is truth in what you say however: many, if not most, Palestinians believe that terror can bring about their own country. However, this is certainly not the case; in fact, terror prolongs the lack of that state, because Israel will not accept it. In order for a state to come into being, terror would have to stop. Lastly, I would point out that Palestinian terror predates the Six Day War in which Israel took the West Bank and Gaza strip. This means that despite the Palestinians having access to all the lands they now declare should be their country, they still perpetrated terror attacks against Israel. This is in contrast to any Jewish terror, which ceased immediately upon the establishment of a Jewish state. This shows that if there really was Jewish terrorism, its goal was the establishment of a Jewish state. At the same time, Palestinian terrorisms goal has been the destruction of a Jewish state and not the establishment of a Jewish one, as evidenced by prefering to attack Israel rather than found their own state during the 20 years when they had the opportunity.
